USS Plymouth Rock (LSD29)

Newsletter  January - April,  2005

Welcome to the USS Plymouth Rock Newsletter

Ninth Edition:  The USS Plymouth Rock Newsletter is a publication issued every four months by the USS Plymouth Rock Ships Association.  If you would like to contribute an article, a piece of Navy or Plymouth Rock history, photo, memory or anything that might be of interest to you or other shipmates, you can sent it as an e-mail to:

Bill Provencal, Association  Secretary at:
billinp@metrocast.net

or regular mail at:
Bill Provencal
37 South Main Street
Pittsfield, NH   03263

If you change address or e-mail address be sure to let me (Bill Provencal) know so we can update our Crews List.   My e-mail is billinp@metrocast.net  Our website is found at www.ussplymouthrock.com

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        Ships Officers
President
Tom Wagner
tfwagner@wagnerinsuranceagency.com
513-574-9838

Vice President
Roger Lamay
roghlamay@yahoo.com
518-529-7450

Treasurer
Paul Mohawk
pshawks2@rea-alp.com
320-763-6898

Secretary
Bill Provencal
billinp@metrocast.net
603-435-8603

Ships Historian
Harry T.  Andersen
andycporetsnipe@aol.com
847-336-2151

Ships Storekeeper
Brad Baldwin
jpbjs11@msn.com
203-374-8213

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Recently Located Shipmates

Vito (Vic) Ramondetta, Berlin, CT e-mail address:  vicra38@aol.com
Robert Franeski, Bridgewater, NJ  e-mail address:   hfarneski@aol.com
Donald Rutledge, Huntsville, AL  e-mail address:   rutl9995@bellsouth.net
Glenn Bentheimer, Jefferson, WI
Francis Miskelly, Stanley, NC  e-mail address:   msicnarf@aol.com
David Helledy, Magalia, CA   e-mail address:  dhelledy@aol.com
Ronald J. Dailey, Marion, IN
Ted Sitarz aka T. J. Martin, Niles, MI  e-mail address:  tjmartin2000@yahoo.com
David Beaton, Hillsborough, NJ   08844
John M. DiCristina, Agawam, MA  e-mail address:  cableguy563@yahoo.com
Jorge G. Trevino, Frederick, MD  e-mail address:  jgt703@aol.com

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Liberty Call, Wagner's going ashore! 

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Thank You

Harry and Jeanne Andersen want to thank all the members of the Plymouth Rock Association for the flowers sent to the funeral of our daughter.

We received many cards of condolence from our shipmates and their families that helped us through a difficult time.  Thank you all very much

Harry and Jeanne Andersen

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Shipmates Who Live in the State of
Maryland

George Beyerle Baltimore
Steven Jones Cambridge
Wallace Mason Sykesville
Frank Migganka Frederick
Joseph W. Parrish Woodbine
Don Rhine Finksburg
Jorge G. Trevino Frederick

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USS Plymouth Rock at Little Creek, VA, late 50's
Photo contributed by John Chappell

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NAVY COMMISSARY

A pert little lady went to the Navy Commissary store to do some shopping.  She is bewildered over the large selection of toilet paper.   “Pardon me, sir,” she says to the store manager, “but can you explain the difference in all these toilet papers?”  “Well,” he replies, pointing out the most expensive brand, “this is as soft as a baby’s kiss.  It’s $1.50 per roll.”  He grabs another and says, “This is nice and soft as a bunny, strong yet gentle, and it’s $1.25 a roll.”  He grabs another and says, “This is soft as a woman’s touch and smooth like skin, and it’s $1.00.”  He finally arrives at the bottom shelf and tells her, “This toilet paper in a plain wrapper has no name, I don’t know about it, but it sells at $.20 per roll.  The little lady, asks the store manager for a couple of rolls and leaves the store.

 A couple weeks later, she’s back at the commissary store and seeks out the manager.  She tells him” Hey!, I’ve got a name for your plain wrapper toilet paper.”  Call it CPO paper.  “Why,” he asks.  “Because it’s just like the Chiefs in the Navy, SLICK, TOUGH, AND IT DOESN’T TAKE CRAP OFF ANY ASSHOLE!”

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Paid Association Members for 2004-2006
As of December 15, 2004  we now have 118 paid members

The 2004-2006 dues are now due, please send dues to Paul Mohawk, Treasurer.  Make checks payable to USS Plymouth Rock Association.  Dues are payable on a bi-annual basis (every two years) at $20.00 and are due on the year of the reunion (are due on an even year 2004, 2006, 2008, etc).  Should a member or prospective member pay at any other time, dues will be credited from the preceding even year.  The dues help to support the association with planning and having the reunion, newsletter printing and mailing, general postage and the cost of maintaining our website on line.  Paul Mohawk's address is:  2505 Conifer Avenue, Alexandria, MN   56308

Alardyce, John Andersen, Harry Baldwin, Brad Balf, Sue Bell, Joe
Bello, Raph Bena, Joe Bentheimer, Glenn Berry, John Bierce, George
Bild, Bob Britt, Ben Brusky, David Buchanan, Richard Buiak, Peter Jr.
Bullington, Calvin Caldwell, Tim Casillas, Greg. Chappell, John Clark, Robert
Conboy, Bill Crowl II, Martin Cummings, Bob Cypher, Hal Cyr, Dennis
Czarnetski, Bruce Czarnetski, Jon Dailey, Ronald J. Dalfonzo, Sam Dortch, David
Dussault, Andrew Edwards, Maurice Edwards, R. A. Eldridge, Marguerite Farneski, Robert
Fisher, Jack Fisher, Jay Formaro, Frank Forton, Andrew G Freeman, James
Gee, James Gibson, David Goodman, William Gorse, Peter Greco, Sal Jr.
Gregory, Peter Guertin, Jerry Haines, Ira Hart, Ed Hartson, George
Haws, Joe Helledy, David Hill, Edward Jr. Hofman, Timothy Hopper, Richard
Howland, John Ishmael, Harry Jennings, Seeley Jepson, Norm Johnson, John
Joyce, Ed Kane, Thomas Kaderka, Leonarad Kellar, Harry Krolak, Ray
Kuhns, Jimmy Lamay, Roger Larson, Jerry Lillig, Bernie Luttrell, James
Madill, Shorty Mathis, Richard McAvoy, John Sr. McCull, Wade C. Miskelly, Francis
Mohawk, Paul Moyer, Larry Murtha, Jerry Musella, Rocco Nichols, Bob
O'Neil, Thomas Pihl, Walter C. Power, Rand Provencal, Bill Purvis, Anthony
Ramondetta, Vitto Raniszewski, Louis F Reed, John Robertson, Allen Robinson, Jim
Rose, Chris Schneider, James Scott, Bill Shanahan, Robert Shewchuk, Richard
Shober, Robert Sims, Bill Smith, Larry Stackhouse, Norman Stark, Peter Jr.
Stovall, Jack Stull, John III Swart, Mike Swathwood, David Swearingen, Ronald
Tesh, Sam Trevino, Jorge Viaene, Robert Vranesevic, Robert Waggoner, Bernice
Wagner, Paul Wagner, Thomas Ward, James Warwick, Robert Watkins, Richard
Wells, Andy Welsh, Mike Ziemba, James    

Any paid Association member (2004-2006) who is not on this list and who have paid their dues, please contact Paul Mohawk at 2505 Conifer Ave., Alexandria, MN  56308, or e-mail:  pshawks2@rea-alp.com   For those wishing to join the Association and help us out financially you can obtain an application that can be printed on the ships website at www.ussplymouthrock.com   All paid dues members receive a hard copy of the newsletter.

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Membership List Changes

Dennis (Shorty) Cyr, new e-mail:  shortybm3@yahoo.com
Change of Address:  Harry L. Kellar, PO Box 4085, Clarksburg, WV    26302

George Bierce, new e-mail address:  gwbfac@aol.com
James Schneider, Case Grande, AZ, new e-mail address:  jmsch@netscape.com
Change of Address:  John Stull III, 4022 Orange Street, Seffner, FL   33584
Change of Address: Bill Conboy, 26 Barton Rd., Asheville, NC    28804, new e-mail address: w.f.conboy@charter.net

Change of Address:  Thomas Hickson, Sr, 1723 19th Avenue, Rock Island, IL  61201
Nelson Rimel, new e-mail address:  gimtutu@adelphia.net
Change of Address:  Timothy Hofman, PO Box 141, Penguin, Tazmania, Australia  7316
Andy Wells, new e-mail address:  alwells@mchsi.com
Change of Address: Jaames Smith, PO Box 575, Burgess, VA    22432
Gerald M. Holden, new e-mail address:  holden@atomic.net
Paul Mohawk, new e-mail address:  pshawks2@rea-alp.com
Bill Gilliam, new e-mail address:  g905@copper.net

Sam Dalfonzo,  new e-mail address:
  samd@nac.net

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10122904.jpg (102355 bytes)Plymouth Rock (LSD-29) underway shortly before deploying to the Mediterranean for a tour with the Sixth Fleet, 8 April 1963. Note the experimental retractable sonar fitted to her bow.   Click image to see photo enlargement,
US Navy photo # 1089896, from the collections of the US Naval Historical Center
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SECNAV Retiree Council Website Launched

The website at www.lifelines.navy.mil/retireecouncil is designed to provide useful links on benefits, programs and related areas of interest for military retirees and their families.  There are links to a number of military sites as well as ones hosted by the Social Security Administration and the Library of Congress.  The site also connects to Shift Colors.

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Fifth Ships Reunion

The fifth Ships Reunion was a great success thanks to the reunion coordinators Norm. Jepson and Rich. Mathis.   The reunion was held at the Lodge of the Ozarks in Branson, MO.  During the four days, we visited with old shipmates, took in various shows in Branson, held our business meeting and reunion supper.  I have included a few pictures from the reunion, others can be seen on the ships website in the reunion page. 

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The Sixth Reunion will be held in Mystic/New London, CT area in late September or early October 2006.  Reunion Chairman for this reunion are:

George Bierce
        67 Talmadge Hill Road
        Prospect, CT   06712
        e-mail:  gwbfac@aol.com
        cell 203-223-6965
        203-758-3125
Dennis (Shorty) Cyr
        119 Pinecrest Drive
        Waterbury, CT  06708
        e-mail:  shortybm3@yahoo.com
        203-753-6220

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Taking on ships stores in Montevideo, Uruguay, 1960 during Presidents Eisenhower's Goodwill Tour to South America
Photo contributed by Tom Wagner

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Known Deceased Shipmates  
For a complete listing visit our Memorial Page in the ships website

Louis E. Wade Jr., YN2, 1998 Albert (Butch) R. Kickok, MM2, 8/27/04
George Murray, LCDR. 2004 Wayne Waggoner, YNC, 4/10/04
Gary Boyer, CYN3, July, 2002 William Watkins, IC2, July 2002
Darrell Toncy, BT3, 2002 Roy Mason, BTC
Natalia Frolio, BT3 Alan Stewart, EM2, 2001
John "JD" Norris, SN, 1994 Caroll H. LeDoux, 9/12/2004
Daniel J. Kubicki, BT3  

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National Cemetery Burial Locations on Line

More that three million records showing where veterans have been buried in Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) national cemeteries are now available online.  The nationwide grave locator contains more than three million records of veterans and dependents buried in VA's 120 cemeteries since the Civil War.  The site has the same information found at the cemeteries to locate gravesites:  name, dates of birth and death, period of military service, branch of service and rank, the cemeteries location, plus the grave's precise location in the cemetery.  The website is at www.cem.va.gov and is updated nightly with information on burials the previous day.

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SHIPS STORE

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Any individual desiring Plymouth Rock items such as Cups, Patches, etc. are urged to contact Brad Baldwin at 203-374-8213, e-mail jbpjs11@msn.com

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USS Plymouth Rock as seen through a Periscope

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Photo of USS Plymouth Rock as seen through the periscope crosshairs taken in the
fall of 1962, from the USS Carp (SS338)
Photo provided by Michelle Gagner

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DEEP THOUGHTS...  The HL Hunley was the first submarine to sink a ship in wartime in the year 1864:
        Named for:           A lawyer who financed it.
        Power:                  Hand-cranked propeller
        Steering:               Hand-turned rudder
        Construction:        Made from an iron boiler
        Its one torpedo     90 to 130 pounds of gunpowder (equivalent to 400 to 800 popunds of TNT today

        Periscope              None

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Thank You's

We would like to thank the following shipmates/friends for providing pictures, information and articles to the website, the association and newsletter.   Special thanks to Bill Scott for his recent cash donation to the Association

Michelle Gagner Leonard Kaderka Tom Wagner John Chappell
Bob (Dutch) Shober Bill Scott Roger Lamay Harry Andersen
John Alardyce Ron Hnatovic

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Sometimes, A Game Means Much More Than the Score

Dec. 7, 2004

One of the questions I am frequently asked is: "If you could only go to one event in sports every year, which one would it be?"

Most people expect my answer to be The Final Four or The Masters or perhaps Wimbledon or The World Series. I love each of those events and consider myself fortunate to have covered them often through the years. But the answer to the question is simple: Army-Navy.

There's just nothing like the Army-Navy football game. Not because of the quality of the football game, but because of the quality of the people playing the football game. And because of the quality of the people who have played in the game in the past. Saturday, when Army and Navy play for the 105th time, the day will be special. Not because Navy is 8-2 and going to a bowl game for a second straight season. Not because Army is 2-8 but well on the way back to respectability under the leadership of Bobby Ross. Not because Navy fullback Kyle Eckel is a good enough player that pro scouts say he could be a third or fourth round draft pick this spring.

That's all well and good. It is also well and good that, regardless of the size and speed of the players--or lack thereof--the game will be played very hard, with great intensity and emotion and a minimum of trash-talking. The nature of Army-Navy is best summed up by a brief moment three years ago when President Bush conducted the coin toss just 10 weeks after the tragedies of 9-11. When he tossed the coin into the air, Navy captain Ed Malinowski made the call on behalf of his team:

"Heads SIR!" he said, loud and clear for everyone in the packed stadium to hear. We all smiled at that moment because only at Army-Navy would you hear a future marine tell the President of the United States, "Heads SIR!" during the coin toss.

Saturday, when the coin is tossed, Malinowski will be in Iraq. So will a number of players who were on the field that day along with many others who have played in Army-Navy games in the recent past. They will be on the minds of all of us in the stadium throughout the day. Scott Zellem, Ron Winchester, J.P. Blecksmith and Kevin Norman will also be on our minds. All played football at Army and Navy. All graduated and went overseas to fight for their country. In the last year, all died for their country. They aren't the first and, sadly, they won't be the last. When Norman died last spring, Jim Cantelupe, his roommate at West Point, talked about what he and all of those who attend the academies know and understand about life in the military.

"You never want to think you're going to die overseas," he said. "But you know that it's possible. Every day that you're there, you're preparing for the possibility that you may have to fight for your country. You don't want to have to do it, but you have to be ready, willing and able to do it. We all are. We know that's why we're there."

If you are ready, willing and able to fight for your country, then you must accept the possibility that you may die for your country. When Pat Tillman, the one-time Arizona Cardinals defensive back died in Afghanistan last spring, much was made--properly--of the fact that he died a hero because he died fighting for his country. But what made Pat Tillman a hero wasn't the fact that he died for his country, it was that he was WILLING to die for his country.

Every player on the field Saturday will be like Pat Tillman: willing to die for his country. Sure, Pat Tillman gave up a lot of money and glory when he left the NFL to volunteer for the Army. The players at Army and Navy may not be as gifted or as wealthy as Tillman was, but they made a decision similar to his: they are all good enough students that they could have gotten into almost any college; almost all are good enough players that they could have gotten scholarships at Division 1-AA schools (at least). All could have left Army or Navy after two years, no harm, no foul and gone to school someplace else. All elected to stay, knowing--especially now--that they might very well find themselves in harm's way soon after graduation.

Zellem graduated from Navy in 1991. He was long past his five year commitment when he died earlier this year. The same was true for Norman, Army class of 1996, who steered his plummeting airplane away from a populated area and crashed into a bridge so only he and his co-pilot would die. Winchester and Blecksmith were younger, but understood--and embraced--the risks they faced.

This week, the football players at Notre Dame faced a crisis: their coach was fired quite suddenly. Should they agree to play in The Insight.com bowl? The players at Auburn may face the unfairness of finishing a season undefeated and yet not being allowed to compete for the national championship. The players at Rutgers just went through a 12th straight losing season.

Adversity? Sure. But not exactly adversity that matches what Zellem, Winchester, Blecksmith, Norman and their families have faced this year. Not exactly the adversity that many of the players who will play in Philadelphia on Saturday may be facing a few months from now.

Almost every college football team likes to post some kind of inspirational message over the door of its locker room. Things like, "Winners never quit and quitters never win." As the players exit the locker room, they all reach up and touch the sign to remind themselves to try to live up to the words. More often than not, the message changes when the coach changes. But at Army, for as long as anyone can remember, the sign over the locker room door has been the same: "I lay me down to bleed awhile but I will rise again to fight."

Think about those words. In many way they sum up exactly what our country--regardless of how one feels about the war in Iraq--has done since 9-11. They also explain perfectly the mentality of those who play football at Army and Navy. Knock me down and I will get up. Knock me out and I will still get up. Kill me and others will rise to take my place. I may lose a battle, but I will never surrender.

Perhaps that's all just too corny to even ponder in a sports world dominated today by Ron Artest and on-field brawls in so-called, "rivalry," games and multi-millionaire athletes wrestling for money with billionaire owners. But it is what Army and Navy has always been about and always will be about.

Contributed by John Allardyce, DC2

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From the Desk of Harry Andersen, Ships Historian

1.  Would every one send me the address of the newspaper that serves their area, so I can update our mailing list to announce our next reunion in 2006.

2.  Would everyone send me any photographs taken at the reunion so I can add them to our historical collection.

Thank You,

Harry   T.  Andersen, Ships Historian
2544 Chestnut Street
Waukeegan, IL   60087
e-mail:  andysporetsnipe@aol.com

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Bilge rat
   
Someone who works in the engineering spaces.

Deep Six
    1) Originally, the call of the leadsman signifying that the water is more than 6 fathoms deep, but less than seven.

    2) Euphemism for throwing something overboard. Also seen as 'splash', 'float check', 'float test'.

    3) To deliberately throw something overboard in deep water to be lost for good.  It comes from the fact that deep water is measured in "fathoms", or measurements of six feet.  The depth of the average grave is also six feet

Eagles (or "Crows") on Devices
    For many years the U.S. specified modified forms of the Napoleonic Eagle in the devices and insignia used to distinguish the various ranks and ratings of enlisted men and officers. This eagle was usually cast, stamped or embroidered facing left and the same practice was used by the Navy. Why the Napoleonic eagle faced left is unknown. In 1941 the Navy changed the eagles facing direction to follow the heraldic rules which faces the right toward the wearers sword arm. This rule continues to apply and the eagle now faces to the front or the wearers right.

Head
    The use of "head" in this context sounds like an anatomical joke, or the work of someone who, to put it delicately, didn't know their head from their foot. But after a dip into some maritime history, calling a ship's bathroom the head makes perfect sense.
    That's head, as in the forward part of the ship, the bow. In the days of sailing vessels, there wasn't any indoor plumbing on land or at sea. Sailors took care of business while hanging over the edge of the ship by ropes or on a platform - always at the bow.
    Why the bow? Because sailing ships had to have the wind coming from behind them to power their sails. Thus, if the sailor chose the stern, or back of the ship, the wind would be coming toward him. And, well ... you wouldn't *spit* into the wind, would you?

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Navy Recruiting Posters

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